Conversation at Airport
October 26, 1973, Bombay
Prabhupäda: They are not interested. Kåñëa consciousness. They clearly says that “What this Kåñëa consciousness, or saìkértana will do?” They says, yes. (laughs) They have become so dull. The Bhagavad-gétä, the culture of India, they have forsaken. They are now taking culture from Russia. Yes. This is the advancement of education. They are taking instruction from Lenin than from Kåñëa. This is the position. Especially in India. Outside India they are interested, so many European, American, Western countries’ boys and girls, they have joined and sacrificed their life. But in India they are callous. They think that “What is this Hare Kåñëa? We know that. It is very old story. Now we want technology.”
Guest (1) (Indian man): In Delhi we have got quite a big number of good life members and helpful people.
Prabhupäda: Yes, there are, certainly. India is born Kåñëa conscious, but by artificial means… Amongst the mass of people the Kåñëa consciousness is there, but amongst the so-called educated, advanced, they are trying to forget. This is the difficulty.
Guest (1): Physical life has become so difficult…
Prabhupäda: It must be difficult. It must be difficult, because the so-called advancement has not helped the people. In our childhood we purchased ghee one rupee, first-class. Now it is not available. And this is advancement of civilization.
Guest (1): The population has increased so much.
Prabhupäda: No, no, this is not the question, population. Population was… Formerly one man used to beget one hundred children. From Mahäbhärata we understand that Dhåtaräñöra, his name is mentioned because he was king. That means at that time people were able to beget one hundred children. And who is begetting one hundred children now? One, two, three, four, that’s all. How the population can be increased now? It is all bogus propaganda.
Guest (1): What do you think is the solution of these difficulties?Prabhupäda: Solution of difficulty is to take to Kåñëa consciousness.
daivé hy eñä guëamayé
mama mäyä duratyayä
mäm eva ye prapadyante
mäyäm etäà taranti te
Mäyä… Just like if there are criminals, then the police force will be increased, punishment will be increased, so similarly, human beings, they are becoming godless, so by nature there must be punishment. They will not be supplied food. The food supply will be restricted. After all, the food is in the hands of nature. You cannot produce food. You can produce bolts and nuts in the factory, but you cannot eat bolts and nuts. You have to eat rice and grains. So that restriction if there is… (Hindi) The solution is to, back to home, back to Godhead. Otherwise there is no solution. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gétä. Daivé hy eñä guëamayé mama mäyä duratyayä [Bg. 7.14]. The stringent laws of mäyä is very strong. You cannot surpass them. Mäm eva ye prapadyante mäyäm etäà taranti te. If you take to Kåñëa consciousness, then it is possible to get out of this entanglement. Otherwise it is not possible. They have tried so many ways and means to solve the problems, but they could not do anything.
Guest (1): Yes, corruption in the politics…
Prabhupäda: Yes, corruption will increase, sinful life increase, cheating. Mandäù sumanda-matayo manda-bhägyäù [SB 1.1.10]. Misfortune. These things will…
Guest (1): Adulteration of food.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Even government cannot give nice food to the people, what to speak of nice government. In the Çrémad-Bhägavatam… You have got the copy?
Prabhupäda: Ädya. During Mahäräja Yudhiñöhira’s reign everything was ample supply. Kämaà vavarña parjanyaù [SB 1.10.4]. You have got that verse.
Pradyumna: I just have the black one.
Prabhupäda: Oh yes. Kämaà vavarña parjanyaù [SB 1.10.4]. During Mahäräja Parékñit’s time, one black man was attempting to kill a cow. Immediately the king wanted to kill him, immediately: “Oh, who are you?” It is the duty of the vaiçyas. Kåñi-go-rakñya-väëijyam vaiçya-karma-svabhäva-jam [Bg. 18.44]. It is the duty of the vaiçyas to protect the cows, to increase agricultural activities and trade. But they are now interested in producing electronic parts. No go-rakñya, no väëijyam, no food production. Cheap profit, and for eating, let there be slaughterhouse and eat meat. And to digest meat, you drink wine. This is being taught. So you create the situation and when you suffer, then why should we lament? We have created this situation, godless civilization, do not follow the direction of the çästras. When we follow, what is that kämam?
kämaà vavarña parjanyaù
siñicuù sma vrajän gävaù
Prabhupäda: Yes. Kämaà vavarña parjanyaù. So if there is regular rainfall, then you get all necessities of life. And the cows were so happy that the milk bag was so full that the pasturing ground became muddy with milk. They were supplying so much milk. So arrangement should be made how you can get more milk and more foodgrains. Then the whole economic problem will be solved. But instead of getting more milk, they are slaughtering cows, innocent animals. So people have become demons, rascals, so they must suffer. There is no other way. (end)